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the volume should always be a mix concern and never a recording matter ! when recording you should just worry about the input level : never too hot because once it's recorded there's no way to fix it afterwards ! you can ALWAYS get it louder though ;)
Edited by OliVBee on Februar 10 2019 13:05
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OliVBee wrote:
the volume should always be a mix concern and never a recording matter ! when recording you should just worry about the input level : never too hot because once it's recorded there's no way to fix it afterwards ! you can ALWAYS get it louder though ;)
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BossHen wrote:
OliVBee wrote:
the volume should always be a mix concern and never a recording matter ! when recording you should just worry about the input level : never too hot because once it's recorded there's no way to fix it afterwards ! you can ALWAYS get it louder though ;)


My target but suspect my set is up is not the ideal, as well want to get the tone of the pre amp clean into the DAW and I like some heat from the gain ....... and mix with minimum investment in time playing with a good DAW
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About a "tubey" tone: I'd like to compare these:

[img]https://www.thomann.de/pics/bdb/282026/11233060_800.jpg[/img]

(the Radial Firefly which was used in the recording video by Al Schmitt in my initial post)

[img]https://www.thomann.de/pics/bdb/191529/12611991_800.jpg[/img]

(a microphone preamp which can be used as a tube DI box as well), and

[img]https://www.thomann.de/pics/bdb/370898/10550043_800.jpg[/img]

(an Ampeg PF-20T bass amplifier)

All three use the same 12AX7/ECC83 tubes. The first one is about 700€ as I write this, the second under 50€, the amplifier at 530€ sits in between. According to https://www.disssa.de/reviews/amps/ampeg-portaflex-pf-20t/ that small amp (which can even be used without a cabinet if you wish) sounds a lot more like an original B-15 than its bigger PF-50T brother.

Would be an interesting comparison...

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Wolfgang
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BossHen wrote:
A great thread learned a lot. When I first started on the loops I spent a lot of time cutting re-recording and used to take 4 or 5 takes and take the best sections. Now I tend to try and do in one or two takes and accept the imperfections and approach more as a jam session.

But some great tips here and the main challenge I face is I record through an Elan tube pre amp as a DI and balancing this with my Steinberg audio interface and its pre amp not to over bake the gain while achieving volume
well the great thing about a track digitally speaking is if it isn't loud enough you can alway duplicate the track on another track or even on two extra tracks if need be-----so trying to come in too hot should never be a concern -----if you're having a hard time hearing yourself---then turn down the track you're playing with ---then you can balance sound by duplicating your track....and bringing the other track up to the volume you need it to be
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GemmyF wrote:
well the great thing about a track digitally speaking is if it isn't loud enough you can alway delicate the track to another track or even two other tracks if need be-----so trying to come in too hot should never be a concern -----if you're having a hard time hearing yourself---then turn down the track you're playing with ---then you can balance sound by duplicating your track....and bringing the other track up to the volume you need it to be


Not the way i would do myself because duplicating tracks means running into phase issues ... i would probably use a limiter on the stem but most probably on the output mix to get the overall output to a decent listening level ... you want to keep that in a reasonable field so you don't kill all the dynamics !
Edited by OliVBee on Februar 10 2019 19:25
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I think recording too hot is worse than not loud enough but when its too low it can amplify noise when you try to make it louder as all the hiss and hum gets louder too
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